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idler
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I don't think Hapless, Corrie, Pantagruel, Marian or Zola exist either. They're all the work of TS8 I'm sure.
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sooey
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| Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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I was always regarded as a traitor to the cause at the NDP, too.
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haplessbarelythereguy
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| Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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| sooey wrote: | | I was always regarded as a traitor to the cause at the NDP, too. |
and even got snubbed by Ms. Rebbick ...
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Marian
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| Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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Who wasn't snubbed by Judy Rebick?
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haplessbarelythereguy
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| Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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Now I feel left out  . What's wrong with me? How come I don't rate a good old-fashioned snubbing .... (by Ms Rebick, I mean ... I'm pretty much snubbed and shunned by the rest of the population).
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Marian
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| Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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Oh sorry that was just a comment about Judy Rebick. I came close to being snubbed. I was at the CBC as part of a delegation from a campus station and we ran into her. Our station manager wanted to talk to Rebick about some new anti-harrassment guidelines that were being foisted on universities (we already had our own policies and the new directives would have affected speech). Rebick was unimpressed.
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sharktooth
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| Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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Skippy is da bomb
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What is also dangerously overlooked is the possibility that even if Iran were to become every bit as democratic as Florida or Minnesota, its policies might not dramatically change. A democratic Iraq still refuses to recognize Israel and a democratic Iran would probably still support Hezbollah and seek nuclear weapons. You’ll notice that with all the protests and Twitter freedom in Tehran, nobody’s saying “Oh, and can’t we get along with the Jews already?” |
We really gotta get this guy in our links section.
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sooey
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| Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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For a hot-tempered unpredictable people, Arabs are noticeably predictable about Jews, aren't they.
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bruce_the_vii
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| Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 3:16 am Post subject: |
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| sharktooth wrote: | Skippy is da bomb
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What is also dangerously overlooked is the possibility that even if Iran were to become every bit as democratic as Florida or Minnesota, its policies might not dramatically change. A democratic Iraq still refuses to recognize Israel and a democratic Iran would probably still support Hezbollah and seek nuclear weapons. You’ll notice that with all the protests and Twitter freedom in Tehran, nobody’s saying “Oh, and can’t we get along with the Jews already?” |
We really gotta get this guy in our links section. |
Great article Sharktooth, how'd you find that. Speaks with common sense about a complex issue. This is something the newspapers journalists don't do. Maybe not the White House either. I loved the bit that inciting rioters in a place like Iran from the comfort of N. America is just immoral. That sort of expresses it. The cavaet I have to add is the problem with Iran is if a nut gets into power and uses the bomb. The present guy, I can't spell his name, likes to be thought of as a nut.
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minkepants
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| Marian wrote: | | The real problem for the West and for U.S. interests is that Ahmadinejad is a socialist, not that he is a religious kook. They dislike him for the same reasons that they dislike Hugo Chavez. Mir Hossein Mousavi the so-called moderate who is in opposition is a neo-liberal. The agenda that is in the offing is less about free speech and sexual liberation than about privatization. |
hmmm. Valid concern, but apparently, not as such...
| Quote: | | It needs to be emphasized that Ahmadinejad’s economic policies are to the right of the IMF: cutting subsidies in a radical way, more privatization than any other post-79 government (by selling the country to the Revolutionary Guards) and an inflation and unemployment rate which have brought the low-income sections of the society to their knees. |
interesting iran analysis
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sooey
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Marian
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| Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 2:41 pm Post subject: |
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I am less concerned with what Iranians are thinking, than with what we are thinking.
I guess my support or backup for saying that Ahmadinejad is a socialist comes from comments like this at the New Yorker:
| Quote: | | "Still, to dismiss Ahmadinejad as a rube is to misunderstand him. He is a populist along the lines of Hugo Chávez, of Venezuela, a politician who knows that his country is full of people like him, and knows how to speak to them. Ahmadinejad is, for some of his supporters, a throwback to the ideological verities of the first years of the Islamic Republic, when Ayatollah Ruholla Khomeini reigned, and teen-age boys volunteered to be martyrs. For many Iranians, Ahmadinejad’s promise of restoring Iran’s “rightful place” in the world—and providing subsidies and jobs—holds great appeal." |
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"Ahmadinejad’s pursuit of a nuclear program taps into this nationalism, and has broad support among Iranians. “What they want is respect,” Lee Hamilton, the former congressman and co-chair of the Iraq Study Group, who has been an influential voice on U.S.-Iran policy, said. “And the best way they thought to get it was to master the nuclear fuel cycle.”
But, in the four years since Ahmadinejad first ran for President, Iran and its rivals have changed: Iranians have been hit hard by the world economic crisis and by falling oil prices; Iran is significantly closer to becoming a nuclear power; and George W. Bush has been replaced by Barack Obama. The question now is how Ahmadinejad will deal with pressure at home and from a new, more subtle Administration in Washington. " |
and | Quote: | "Hadian said that he and Ahmadinejad were profoundly affected by Ali Shariati, a French-educated Iranian philosopher who adapted Marxism and anti-colonialist theory to a new understanding of Islam and the “sociology of religion.” Shariati met with Jean-Paul Sartre, translated Frantz Fanon’s “The Wretched of the Earth” into Farsi, and propounded a kind of Islamic liberation theology. "
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The point really is that I am lately fairly cynical about the West's claims to care for the rights of women abroad and I question the West's support for change. I'm not saying that the uprising itself is not admirable. On the other hand, I suspect this will all end in disaster maybe along the lines of Tiananmen square. I have to say I have mixed feelings.
Link to New Yorker article.
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minkepants
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| Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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I share your concern about how much Exxon and FOX news care about feminism and democracy. But there's not a thing in your quotes indicating he even knows what socialism is. So he knew somebody who had read Franz Fanon. whup-tee-doo
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Marian
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| Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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I'm pretty sure I read an article somewhere that talked about his distribution of oil profits, but I can't find it. I'm sure it will turn up in six months when I don't need it. In the meantime wikipedia describes one of Ahmedinejad's main goals as "putting the petroleum income on people's tables", referring to Iran's oil profits being distributed among the poor."
Anyway, I think I've shown that he knows what Marxism is (or some derivation of Marxism) since he was said to have been profoundly affected by it.
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sooey
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The protestors appear to be of the "professional" class - no? I'm thinking of Chilean protestors in the Pinochet years - teachers, doctors, lawyers.
It would really suit the Supreme Islamic Council's agenda to eliminate those people, just as it suited Pinochet's agenda. And western Conservative governments ultimately lauded Pinochet. The National Post couldn't say enough good about him - particularly once he was safely dead and couldn't murder any more people such that it might be embarassing to be seen as a newspaper glossing over brutal repression in praise of corporate capitalism.
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